Steve recently told me that my music lyrics (as read on my blogs) are kinda depressing!
I think that if folks would listen to the songs (words and music), the true meaning would come through, actually a positive experience!
(Reminds me of Ozzy Osbornes' song, "Suicide solution", where some misguided soul interpreted the song as a "solution" to his problems was suicide, when actually Ozzy meant that the "suicide solution" was really the solution of alcohol, where constant imbibing would eventually end in death!
Anyhow, heres' a more hopeful song that I dearly love...
Paramore "Hallelujah"
Somehow everything's gonna fall right into place
If we only had a way to make it all
Fall faster everyday
If only time flew like a dove
We gotta make it fly faster than I'm falling in love
This time we're not giving up
Let's make it last forever
Screaming "hallelujah"
We'll make it last forever
Holding onto patience, wearing thin
I can't force these eyes to see the end
If only time flew like a dove
We could watch it fly and just keep looking on
This time we're not giving up
Let's make it last forever
Screaming "hallelujah"
We'll make it last forever
And we've got time on our hands
And we've got, got nothing but time on our hands
Got nothing but, got nothing but
Got nothing but time on our hands
This time we're not giving up
Oh, let's make it last forever
Screaming "hallelujah"
"Hallelujah"
"Hallelujah"
Sunday, March 1, 2009
More Sum 41
Send "Thanks For Nothing" Ringtone to your Cell
I'll never take part in the growing population
Or waste my time with further education
Forget what we know
It's just a big show
What they want to control
So jaded, frustrated
Its all so complicated
Fashion, no passion surrounds me
All I know is
I've heard this all before
Reality's a bore
You ask me to believe in something fake
Well I can't bring myself to
Do what you want me to
This is who we are and
Nothing's gonna change
Nothing's gonna change
I can't take part in the businessman illusion
I'll take my chance in the real world confusion
Don't blame us
Who do we trust
When they're so dishonest?
No patience, this nation's obsessed with exploitation
Lying, denying surrounds me
All I know is
I've heard this all before
Reality's a bore
You ask me to believe in something fake
Well I can't bring myself to
Do what you want me to
This is who we are and
Nothing's gonna change
Don't think you can ignore us
Don't tell me that we're to blame
Don't pick our future for us
Or act like we're the same
All I know is
I've heard this all before
Reality's a bore
You ask me to believe in something fake
Well I can't bring myself to
Do what you want me to
This is who we are and
Nothing's gonna change
(Thanks for nothing)
I've heard this all before
(Thanks for nothing)
Reality's a bore
(Thanks for nothing)
It'll never be the same
(Thanks for nothing)
And nothings gonna change...
I'll never take part in the growing population
Or waste my time with further education
Forget what we know
It's just a big show
What they want to control
So jaded, frustrated
Its all so complicated
Fashion, no passion surrounds me
All I know is
I've heard this all before
Reality's a bore
You ask me to believe in something fake
Well I can't bring myself to
Do what you want me to
This is who we are and
Nothing's gonna change
Nothing's gonna change
I can't take part in the businessman illusion
I'll take my chance in the real world confusion
Don't blame us
Who do we trust
When they're so dishonest?
No patience, this nation's obsessed with exploitation
Lying, denying surrounds me
All I know is
I've heard this all before
Reality's a bore
You ask me to believe in something fake
Well I can't bring myself to
Do what you want me to
This is who we are and
Nothing's gonna change
Don't think you can ignore us
Don't tell me that we're to blame
Don't pick our future for us
Or act like we're the same
All I know is
I've heard this all before
Reality's a bore
You ask me to believe in something fake
Well I can't bring myself to
Do what you want me to
This is who we are and
Nothing's gonna change
(Thanks for nothing)
I've heard this all before
(Thanks for nothing)
Reality's a bore
(Thanks for nothing)
It'll never be the same
(Thanks for nothing)
And nothings gonna change...
Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Tires and pressure
Alot being said lately about saving fuel by increasing your vehicles' tire pressure...
Probably true, if you have let your tires go (have you checked your tire pressures this month?), it may be time to check them. It's hard to tell if you have 35psi, or 20psi, just by glancing at a tire. Truckers are known to knock thier tires with a hammer at truck stops; the tires rings at a certain frequency if ok, a lower-pitched "thud" if one is going flat.
Get a good tire guage...
By keeping your tires properly inflated, you are probably saving not only gasoline, but maybe your life!
A flat tire builds up heat, starts smoking, then slowly thrashes itself into pieces. This failure is a function of heat, which is proportional to vehicle speed.
Lets say your tire goes flat overnight. You get in your car, drive off, and take relatively slow speeds through the subs (less than 45MPH) on your way to the highway. At this point, you are still clueless to any tire issues.
Now you enter the freeway, and speed up to 65MPH. You begin to settle in, but behind you, your fellow motorists are starting to see light smoke coming from your car!
It takes a few miles before you start to sense a problem, usually a strange noise, followed by increasingly thicker smoke, as seen in your rear-view mirror.
In just another mile or so, your tire lets go completely, just when you and your vehicle are at high speed, and surrounded by other motorists!
It's preferable to loose a front tire at speed. You can still steer the vehicle, because the rear of the car remains stable.
If you loose a rear tire, the rear end becomes unstable, and you will be sawing the wheel to keep control. This is a hard concept to get across to customers at the tire shop ("Why should I put my new tires on the back? I steer with the front!") but it's the correct procedure.
How can you tell if your tire is going flat?
If it's a front tire, it will pull the steering wheel in the direction of the low pressure tire (RF tire loosing air, steering wheel will tend to turn right) because the right tire has higher road drag ( theres' that MPG thing again) compared to the other tire.
A low tire on the rear is harder to feel on the road. If your LR tire is low, you may not feel it until you hit a hard right turn. The bad tire has very little sidewall strength, therefore it slides easily! (We used to pump our tires to 50PSI at the Autocross to strengthen the sidewall, therefore giving better grip. Joey Chitwood would inflate his stuntcars' standard roadcar tires to 100psi for his two-wheeled stunts!)
A few months back, I was preparing a 2004 Porsche Carerra S (rear engine, 380HP, 3400lbs) for our used car lot, and I ran it up to 95MPH on PCH on a clear stretch. I hit a bump, and the rear end started slowly fishtailing, first left, then right, in one second intervalls (left right, tick-tock-tick-tock). I couldn't catch it with the steering, so I finally hit the brakes, which moved the weight forward and stopped the swaying!
When I got back to the shop,I checked the tire pressures, 38psi, 38psi, 40psi, 20psi! The left rear tire was low, and when I hit the bump, the tire became a spring and started bouncing and occilating. The right rear tire did bounce, but it didn't occilate because it's sidewall was stiff enough to transfer the "bump" into the suspension, where the shock absorber could do it's job.
I vowed never to test drive a single car without checking the tires first!
I also lost pressure on the rear tire of my Kawasaki once.
I was booking down the highway at 80MPH, and as I went into a long left hand turn, I realised that I was steering the bike to the right to go left!
Again, the sidewall was in a weakened state, rolled under the rim slightly, and adhesion was lost!
I dared not touch the brakes, so I just eased off the throttle, and over a two mile stretch, I drifted to a stop.
I found a large roofing nail in my rear tire sidewall, my neighbor was a contractor, and his truck would leave a trail of nails and tacks where ever it would go!
Proper tire inflation is also critical on a wet road.
At 60MPH, a tire at 35psi has acceptable traction because the round-ness of the tire gives the water on the road a short path (through the tires' grooves) as it passes into the front of the tire, and out the back.
The same tire at 30psi is a little less round, the contact area goes up, and the waters' path becomes longer through the grooves. There is a higher volume of water in the grooves of your tires, making hydroplaning possible at a lower speed.
At 20psi, the tire is no longer round, and the contact patch is pushed into a concave shape by the road friction. The water on the road now enters the front grooves of the tire, pools inside the contact patch, and lifts the tire right off the road!
So ultimately, to avoid big trouble, and possibly save a few gallons of gas, get a good tire guage (not a $3.00 special, spend some money!) and keep your tires inflated correctly, for all the right reasons...
Probably true, if you have let your tires go (have you checked your tire pressures this month?), it may be time to check them. It's hard to tell if you have 35psi, or 20psi, just by glancing at a tire. Truckers are known to knock thier tires with a hammer at truck stops; the tires rings at a certain frequency if ok, a lower-pitched "thud" if one is going flat.
Get a good tire guage...
By keeping your tires properly inflated, you are probably saving not only gasoline, but maybe your life!
A flat tire builds up heat, starts smoking, then slowly thrashes itself into pieces. This failure is a function of heat, which is proportional to vehicle speed.
Lets say your tire goes flat overnight. You get in your car, drive off, and take relatively slow speeds through the subs (less than 45MPH) on your way to the highway. At this point, you are still clueless to any tire issues.
Now you enter the freeway, and speed up to 65MPH. You begin to settle in, but behind you, your fellow motorists are starting to see light smoke coming from your car!
It takes a few miles before you start to sense a problem, usually a strange noise, followed by increasingly thicker smoke, as seen in your rear-view mirror.
In just another mile or so, your tire lets go completely, just when you and your vehicle are at high speed, and surrounded by other motorists!
It's preferable to loose a front tire at speed. You can still steer the vehicle, because the rear of the car remains stable.
If you loose a rear tire, the rear end becomes unstable, and you will be sawing the wheel to keep control. This is a hard concept to get across to customers at the tire shop ("Why should I put my new tires on the back? I steer with the front!") but it's the correct procedure.
How can you tell if your tire is going flat?
If it's a front tire, it will pull the steering wheel in the direction of the low pressure tire (RF tire loosing air, steering wheel will tend to turn right) because the right tire has higher road drag ( theres' that MPG thing again) compared to the other tire.
A low tire on the rear is harder to feel on the road. If your LR tire is low, you may not feel it until you hit a hard right turn. The bad tire has very little sidewall strength, therefore it slides easily! (We used to pump our tires to 50PSI at the Autocross to strengthen the sidewall, therefore giving better grip. Joey Chitwood would inflate his stuntcars' standard roadcar tires to 100psi for his two-wheeled stunts!)
A few months back, I was preparing a 2004 Porsche Carerra S (rear engine, 380HP, 3400lbs) for our used car lot, and I ran it up to 95MPH on PCH on a clear stretch. I hit a bump, and the rear end started slowly fishtailing, first left, then right, in one second intervalls (left right, tick-tock-tick-tock). I couldn't catch it with the steering, so I finally hit the brakes, which moved the weight forward and stopped the swaying!
When I got back to the shop,I checked the tire pressures, 38psi, 38psi, 40psi, 20psi! The left rear tire was low, and when I hit the bump, the tire became a spring and started bouncing and occilating. The right rear tire did bounce, but it didn't occilate because it's sidewall was stiff enough to transfer the "bump" into the suspension, where the shock absorber could do it's job.
I vowed never to test drive a single car without checking the tires first!
I also lost pressure on the rear tire of my Kawasaki once.
I was booking down the highway at 80MPH, and as I went into a long left hand turn, I realised that I was steering the bike to the right to go left!
Again, the sidewall was in a weakened state, rolled under the rim slightly, and adhesion was lost!
I dared not touch the brakes, so I just eased off the throttle, and over a two mile stretch, I drifted to a stop.
I found a large roofing nail in my rear tire sidewall, my neighbor was a contractor, and his truck would leave a trail of nails and tacks where ever it would go!
Proper tire inflation is also critical on a wet road.
At 60MPH, a tire at 35psi has acceptable traction because the round-ness of the tire gives the water on the road a short path (through the tires' grooves) as it passes into the front of the tire, and out the back.
The same tire at 30psi is a little less round, the contact area goes up, and the waters' path becomes longer through the grooves. There is a higher volume of water in the grooves of your tires, making hydroplaning possible at a lower speed.
At 20psi, the tire is no longer round, and the contact patch is pushed into a concave shape by the road friction. The water on the road now enters the front grooves of the tire, pools inside the contact patch, and lifts the tire right off the road!
So ultimately, to avoid big trouble, and possibly save a few gallons of gas, get a good tire guage (not a $3.00 special, spend some money!) and keep your tires inflated correctly, for all the right reasons...
Monday, February 16, 2009
One bad cat...
We have owned alot of cats, yet we (Tiffani and I) are not really cat people...
Since we were married, we have had a total of 6 cats. One found at a super market, one saved from a "long sleep", and 4 more, born from the rescued cat...
We now have only one, the lone survivor of the litter, also the smallest, and ultimately. the baddest cat we've seen. Her name is Morticia.
I call her "puffykitty", as she looks like a frizzy black afro, with 4 small black legs dangling down, from which the hair never seems to grow.
She is very vocal, loves to try to trip me with her "last minute rushes" as I walk through a door, or down the steps, but she's not mean, doesn't bite, or even fight with other cats...
Her Bad-ness comes from her ability to stay calm in any situation.
You have probably heard the old saying; "It's not the size of the dog in a fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog", but there are exceptions to this rule.
If you go to see a rodeo, the riders (also cool characters) are just part of the show. When the bull riding starts, watch the guys on the horses who round the bull up after the ride.
The bull is still mighty tweaked and spinning (What's that leather strap on his hind-quarters for?), and about 3 riders are then dispatched to head the bull in the right direction, down a certain chute, and then to safety (everyone elses!).
The riders are pretty routine, but the horses they ride waste no time rushing up to the thrashing bull (usually making eye and body contact), where they block, steer, and totally confront the huge animal (twice thier size, triple thier weight!) until finally the bulls would submit.
These brave horses would never hesitate, flinch, or back down, they would just rush right into the bad situation time and time again, always coming back without a scratch!
You could just see the confidence in thier eyes!
OOPS!, back to the cats!
Over the years, our 6 cats began dissappearing.
One got hit by a car, one got eaten by coyotes (one of our other cats escaped the attack, and hid under our bed for a week!
One ran off, one we gave away,(a good move,the new owners adored her!) and we were left with 2, Morticia, the smallest and meekest, and her mom Rachel, a pissed-off, bitey, and unpredictable crank.
Tiff and I wondered how this under-cat managed to escape all the pitfalls that had claimed the others(except mean-old Rachel), and we found out when we packed them both up in carriers and temporarily moved to Placerville in our RV.
These carriers were about 15" by 15" by 23" deep, made of plastic, lots of vents and a wire door in front.
We put both carriers in the shower (good move, as it turns out!), and away we went for a 6-hour drive.
The whole way, Rachael was screeching, spitting, spraying (FOUL!!), and trying to claw her way out! The first time I saw a cat do a back-flip inside a 2-cubic-foot box was when Rachel did it! She did this for 400 miles, never letting up for a scecond.
Meanwhile, little puff was still and silent, not a peep or complaint, while her mom was going haywire.
When we arrived, the shower was a wreck! Rachael sprayed her bad cat scent all over the walls, and as we removed the carriers from the coach, she was still spinning!
When we unlatched the door (dodging her grasping claws), she took off like a shot into the wild woods (The Sierra Nevadas are home to large deer, wolves, coyotes, mountain lions, wild turkeys, etc)!
We never saw her again. Inside her cage was blood, cat spray, and hair.
Moricia, on the other hand, didn't panic.
She kept her cool for the entire trip. She Meowd' softly as we let her out of the cage in Placerville, not a hair out of place, she stayed by the RV the whole time we were there (6 short weeks), and we scooped her up and took her home when we left.
I decided that there was a great lesson clearly demonstrated here...Panic and fear can only make a bad situation worse, and you really can be your own worst enemy!
Since that day, I have tried to be more like that cat!
These days, Morticia is still displaying her cool character.
Our Rat Terrier Cole is constantly trying to intimidate her (he likes nothing better than when his subject runs away!), and he will rush right at her, full speed, growling and barking madly, but "Puffykitty" just stands her ground, frozen in place, and confidently stares him down, which stops Cole in his tracks!
If Morticia (or those rodeo horses) were to show fear, they would be giving the aggressors the advantage, and they would loose control of thier dicey situations.
(That trick is a little harder to master!)
Now Cole still barks and runs at the cat, but since cat doesn't react, he just runs right by her...we like to call this a "drive-by".
Since we were married, we have had a total of 6 cats. One found at a super market, one saved from a "long sleep", and 4 more, born from the rescued cat...
We now have only one, the lone survivor of the litter, also the smallest, and ultimately. the baddest cat we've seen. Her name is Morticia.
I call her "puffykitty", as she looks like a frizzy black afro, with 4 small black legs dangling down, from which the hair never seems to grow.
She is very vocal, loves to try to trip me with her "last minute rushes" as I walk through a door, or down the steps, but she's not mean, doesn't bite, or even fight with other cats...
Her Bad-ness comes from her ability to stay calm in any situation.
You have probably heard the old saying; "It's not the size of the dog in a fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog", but there are exceptions to this rule.
If you go to see a rodeo, the riders (also cool characters) are just part of the show. When the bull riding starts, watch the guys on the horses who round the bull up after the ride.
The bull is still mighty tweaked and spinning (What's that leather strap on his hind-quarters for?), and about 3 riders are then dispatched to head the bull in the right direction, down a certain chute, and then to safety (everyone elses!).
The riders are pretty routine, but the horses they ride waste no time rushing up to the thrashing bull (usually making eye and body contact), where they block, steer, and totally confront the huge animal (twice thier size, triple thier weight!) until finally the bulls would submit.
These brave horses would never hesitate, flinch, or back down, they would just rush right into the bad situation time and time again, always coming back without a scratch!
You could just see the confidence in thier eyes!
OOPS!, back to the cats!
Over the years, our 6 cats began dissappearing.
One got hit by a car, one got eaten by coyotes (one of our other cats escaped the attack, and hid under our bed for a week!
One ran off, one we gave away,(a good move,the new owners adored her!) and we were left with 2, Morticia, the smallest and meekest, and her mom Rachel, a pissed-off, bitey, and unpredictable crank.
Tiff and I wondered how this under-cat managed to escape all the pitfalls that had claimed the others(except mean-old Rachel), and we found out when we packed them both up in carriers and temporarily moved to Placerville in our RV.
These carriers were about 15" by 15" by 23" deep, made of plastic, lots of vents and a wire door in front.
We put both carriers in the shower (good move, as it turns out!), and away we went for a 6-hour drive.
The whole way, Rachael was screeching, spitting, spraying (FOUL!!), and trying to claw her way out! The first time I saw a cat do a back-flip inside a 2-cubic-foot box was when Rachel did it! She did this for 400 miles, never letting up for a scecond.
Meanwhile, little puff was still and silent, not a peep or complaint, while her mom was going haywire.
When we arrived, the shower was a wreck! Rachael sprayed her bad cat scent all over the walls, and as we removed the carriers from the coach, she was still spinning!
When we unlatched the door (dodging her grasping claws), she took off like a shot into the wild woods (The Sierra Nevadas are home to large deer, wolves, coyotes, mountain lions, wild turkeys, etc)!
We never saw her again. Inside her cage was blood, cat spray, and hair.
Moricia, on the other hand, didn't panic.
She kept her cool for the entire trip. She Meowd' softly as we let her out of the cage in Placerville, not a hair out of place, she stayed by the RV the whole time we were there (6 short weeks), and we scooped her up and took her home when we left.
I decided that there was a great lesson clearly demonstrated here...Panic and fear can only make a bad situation worse, and you really can be your own worst enemy!
Since that day, I have tried to be more like that cat!
These days, Morticia is still displaying her cool character.
Our Rat Terrier Cole is constantly trying to intimidate her (he likes nothing better than when his subject runs away!), and he will rush right at her, full speed, growling and barking madly, but "Puffykitty" just stands her ground, frozen in place, and confidently stares him down, which stops Cole in his tracks!
If Morticia (or those rodeo horses) were to show fear, they would be giving the aggressors the advantage, and they would loose control of thier dicey situations.
(That trick is a little harder to master!)
Now Cole still barks and runs at the cat, but since cat doesn't react, he just runs right by her...we like to call this a "drive-by".
Friday, February 13, 2009
Flying Saucers, 1 Nessie, 0
Major Donald E. Keyhoe
3/8/58
Former Marine Air Corps Major Donald Keyhoe, director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, conducted an investigation of the existence of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs). Keyhoe talks to Wallace about the United States military, reports of UFO sightings, the various theories explaining UFOs, government cover-ups, and the possibility of interplanetary war.
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THE MIKE WALLACE INTERVIEW
Guest: Major Donald E. Keyhoe
3/8/58
WALLACE: Good evening, tonight we go after a fantastic story, the story that flying saucers from other worlds are visiting our planet, just as we are exploring outerr space with our own rocket satellites. Our guest is Former Mariner Air Corps Major Donald Keyhoe, who has the support of scores of prominent businessmen, military men, and some scientists in his campaign to prove that flying saucers exist. If you're curious to know why Major Keyhoe charges that the Unites States Air Force is deliberately deluding us when it calls saucer stories the bunk, if you want to hear his own evidence that the saucers are real, and his reaction to the claim of two Americans who say they've spoken with men from Venus. We'll go after those stories in just a moment. My name is Mike Wallace, the cigarette is Parliament.
(OPENING CREDITS)
WALLACE: We'll meet Major Keyhoe in just a minute.
(COMMERCIAL)
WALLACE: And now to our story. Major Donald Keyhoe is the director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. As head of this private group, interested in flying saucers, he's repeatedly attacked the United States Air Force, and others, for claiming that flying saucers are apparently flight of fancy and not flights by Martians or men from the moon. Independent surveys show that millions of Americans do share his believe in these celestial saucers.
Major Keyhoe, first of all, let me ask you this; most people in the United States, in spite of the fact that I said that millions do believe, I think you will agree that most people in the United States don't believe in flying saucers from outer space. They probably hold the view of columnist Bob Considine, who wrote that flying saucers are products of, for the most part, quote "pranksters, half-wits, cranks, publicity hounds, fanatics in general and screwballs" end quote. How do you feel about Mr. Considine's charge?
KEYHOE: Well, I know where he got the story; he got it from Colonel Watson out at the Air Technical Intelligence Center in Dayton. In fact, the colonel went even a little further and he said that behind every sighting was an idiot, a crackpot or religious fanatic. That included a lot of high-ranking Air Force pilots, incidentally, and many airline captains, people who are qualified to see these things. But, he's just following on Air Force policy.
WALLACE: Well now, you're not suggesting that Bob Considine is in the pay of the Air Force; he's an independent newsman with a considerable reputation.
KEYHOE: No, I mean the colonel, I mean the colonel. No, I have a only respect for Bob Considine.
WALLACE: In spite of the fact that he suggests that pranksters, half-wits and screwballs are responsible for the stories about flying saucers.
KEYHOE: Well, I wish I could show him, at anytime, a list of about 800 witnesses, some of the big names of aviation including, up to the rank of colonel in the Air Force. They're still flying, and they're still carrying passengers; they've never been grounded. They're still guiding airliners in the radar men are, night after night in bad weather. If they're screwballs and incompetents, why are they still on the job?
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, where do you think flying saucers are coming from?
KEYHOE: I don't know. There is an indication that they could be using Mars as a base. I don't mean they originate right there, but every time Mars has approached us, in the last ten years, there's been a noticeable increase in saucer sightings. And that's been mentioned officially. In fact, the Canadian official project, on the basis of that, set up an observation station in Canada.
WALLACE: You say the Canadian official project, what do you mean by the official...?
KEYHOE: There was an official project called "Project Magnet," and they set up an observatory at Shirley Bay to try to track these things. And...
WALLACE: What happened to the official project? You say there was a project.
KEYHOE: Yes. They ran for about a year and they had one sighting on the gravimeter, which indicated that something... a very large object had flow over there, but they finally decided that they were spending a little bit much money on that, I suppose.
WALLACE: For certain, they wouldn't have thought that they were spending too much money on it, if they believed that that kind of phenomena existed.
KEYHOE: A lot of people on the project are still working up there on their own time and certain government officials have still kept the lid on the reports in Canada, just as they do down here.
WALLACE: What is your theory...? In other words, you suggest that they come from Mars or from other planets, from other solar systems, possibly, throughout the universe. Is that correct?
KEYHOE: Yes, and there're a lot of scientists who've said the same thing.
WALLACE: What is your theory as to the kind of people who fly these... or the kind of beings who fly these saucers?
KEYHOE: Well, that's speculation; Willy Ley said recently that it would be like the man next door, the invaders from space, and his reasons, may be good. But most of the top scientists have said that the odds are that beings from other worlds would not be like us; some of them would be. Dr. Howard Shafly, for instance, said that there probably were at least a hundred million inhabited planets in the universe. And the Mansel, who doesn't believe in saucers, at all, says, that he goes at higher -- even higher. And among those, by --there must, be- the law of averages. ---, There is a certain number of planets that would be like the earth, and if evolution started the same time, you might have the same type of being.
WALLACE: What you think of the intentions of these people -- for lack of a better name -- of these people who are in these flying saucers?
KEYHOE: Well, there's been no evidence of any hostility during the last 10 years, for what we call the modern face, there have been sighting before then. There had have been some accidents; air force pilots chasing these things; kept a man until he was killed chasing, one in '48 and two pilots disappeared chasing one in '53 over Lake Superior. But, I think those are just accidents.
WALLACE: Just accidents. Why don't they try to communicate with us? What's your theory about that?
KEYHOE: Well, I'll follow some of the theories the Air Forces people have said... they suggested to me back in '52 and '53, at which time we were cooperating--, I had a lot of very good friends in the Air Force at that time-- and the policy was to give out the information --. They were about to tell the people everything they had. And the theory was then that perhaps these beings were so much different from us that communication would be a very hard thing; they might not, for instance, have speech sounds like ours. That's one answer. And another thing: they might not be able to exist in our atmosphere. We're going to land on the moon, we'll have to wear space suits, or else build air-conditioned buildings up there air pressured. And there could be lots of factors like that.
WALLACE: Well, do you think they're down here, when we do see them, to look at us?
KEYHOE: I think that it's probably a long-range survey.
WALLACE: A long-range survey?
KEYHOE: That's right.
WALLACE: And yet, no attempt, as far as we know in any case, of communication with us.
KEYHOE: There have been claims of communication, but those, most of those, have been by individuals. The Air Force has not admitted that there's ever been one and I don't know... our committee hasn't found any cases that we would accept as absolutly verified.
WALLACE: All right. Now, let's go at it from another point of view, if I may, the Air Force point of view. They agree, undoubtedly, objects have been seen in the sky, but the Air Force has said time and time again --, this is a quote from Richard Horner, assistant secretary of the Air Force for research and development --, "All, but a small percentage of these reports -- of unidentified flying objects -- have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena that are neither mysterious nor dire." End quote. Weather balloons, mirages, ordinary sky phenomena like meteors or airplanes themselves. What about that?
KEYHOE: I'll answer that, but I'd like to make several points in doing it. In 1947, the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, that's the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract, sent the secret documents to the Commanding General of the Air Force, saying that whatever of these things were, they were real. In 1948, ATIC, the same group, sent a top-secret estimate to the Commanding General, Roy Vandenburg, that these were interplanetary spaceships.
In 1952, there was an intelligence analysis of the maneuvers of these things, as seen by radar, triangulation, radar photographs. And in '53, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Air Force had a special panel of scientists meet at the Pentagon, to tell them what to do. And after they got through, this group said, "You don't have proof that these things exist, not scientific proof, but you have a very strong circumstantial case.
We suggest you quadruple investigations, set up special observation posts and in the meantime release everything you got the American people." Now, you've got four documents there; they've been sitting on all this time. Now, that... and they have been spending a lot of money investigating flying saucers. If they don't exist, why the money... why did the intelligence team rush out every time there's a sighting?
WALLACE: Now then, you have mentioned four documents that you claim exist. We've heard, in the past, that you have claimed that these documents existed. We've seen your literature in which you talk about the existence of those documents. So, we spoke with the Air Technical Intelligence Center at the Pentagon earlier with this week, and this is what we're told officially by them, "Three of the four documents Major Keyhoe refers to, simply do not exist.
The fourth document does exist, you can have a copy of it, Mr. Wallace, and you can see that it doesn't say what Major Keyhoe claims it says." We have a copy of it and I quote to you from the copy. The Air Force document says just this, "The panel recommends that the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip the UFOs of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired.
We suggest an integrated program designed to reassure the public of the total lack of evidence of inimical forces behind the phenomena." And again, as I point out, secretary Horner says it's simply ain't so. Now, why? The point really at issue here, it would seem, Major Keyhoe, is this: Why do you believe that the Air Force says that nothing is going on? Why do you believe that the...? It's a fairly serious charge that you make.
KEYHOE: I know it is.
WALLACE: You make the charge that the United States government is withholding from the people of the United States certain very important information. Why? What would their motive be for withholding that kind of information from us?
KEYHOE: Well, I'll answer that, but I'd also like to show you some proofs that they are withholding it. The reason was given to me when they were working with me back in '52 and '53; it was first that they were afraid of hysteria. Remember the Orson Welles show-back... way years back, when he scared people in the hills with the...
WALLACE: I do.
KEYHOE: ...idea of invading Martians. Then, they were also afraid that it would upset organized religion, that was a smaller factor, but there was some fear of it. Later, they were afraid that these accidents when the interceptors had chased these things and had been lost or had crashed, might be considered a proof of hostility. Now, I would never have put my name on anything if it were a matter of a personal opinion.
I've talked to, and read the reports of, hundreds of pilots and radar men, guided missile trackers, who've seen these things. And some of them are very more important names. The Air Force says that they've (...) this down to 1.9 percent, but you noticed the word current in there, they mean we are currently explaining.
Now, I have in my possession a copy of the special report fourteen, which is their Bible on this. In the back, it has a table showing that of thirty-two hundred and one cases they examined, nineteen and a half percent were unsolved. And they admit they still are unsolved. You add up what they've had since then; it makes over twelve percent of the reports and those are mostly from the best possible sources.
WALLACE: Well now, wait just a second; I'll use your figures. The Department of Defense released an official bulletin on November 5, 1957, saying that from June of '55 to June of '57, a two-year period, just a fraction over two percent of all investigated unidentified flying objects had to be listed as unknown. Two percent, so that's your one point nine...
KEYHOE: What's the period, again?
WALLACE: '55 to '57. The rest were determined to have been balloons, airplanes, hoaxes, and a category about 12 percent, called insufficient information, which means that the report was so flimsy that there was simply nothing to check on. I must confess that they have... they've certainly shown me no classified material, but they have opened their files quite willingly to us in our preparation for this program tonight, and they've given us very convincing evidence, Major Keyhoe, that it is largely... I shouldn't say largely, I'll say ninety-nine and forty-four, one-hundred percent, a hoax. Now, you mentioned...
KEYHOE: A hoax?
WALLACE: Well, let... when I say a hoax...
KEYHOE: Are you saying a lot of good pilots, hoax?
WALLACE: No, no, no, not hoax, just... I thank you for correcting me, not just a hoax, but, let's say, misinformation or sightings of objects which seem to be one thing but are, in fact, another. I'm glad that you corrected me about hoax, because it is, by no means, that much a hoax. But, you mentioned that Dr. Donald Menzel, who was a professor of Astrophysics at Harvard before. Now, I think you will agree that he's one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists. Is that not so?
KEYHOE: I think there are others who are equally capable, but, do not agree with him.
WALLACE: He is one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists; though, I think we can agree on that. In any case, he stresses, you see, that pilots are not experts of ---, that they, as well, as others, can see flying saucers when it's only, to quote him, "the wrapper of somebody's lunch moving around on the air" end quote. But, again, let's come back to the point... the most important point, Major Keyhoe, and that is, why, why will the Air Force...? Why will the United States government withhold information from United States citizens? For what reason?
KEYHOE: Because they're treating us like children, the way they did it with the H-Bomb at first, and the way they've been doing with other things. Now, I'm not attacking the United States Air Force. I'm attacking a small group in there that has been persistently keeping this from the public, just as they've kept other things. For a long time you couldn't even mention the idea that we could be hit by missiles from submarines from the gulf or from both coasts very easily.
I knew that years and years ago and tried to get it out, but at the time was discouraged about it. Now then, you mentioned this... that this denial of these documents. Now, I'd like to tell you something that happened on the Armstrong Circle Theatre. I had requested that those points be in the script and I was discouraged from it at, first by their writer. Then later, some of our board of governors insisted that we had those points included.
So I said, "Either, I don't go on or we have those in there." They said all right. So the script was completely rewritten. Now those were in the script as it was first rehearsed. But when the second rehearsal, came along and the Air Force saw the mimeograph sheet there with Air Force representatives, but according to Armstrong's writer said, they would immediately deny it on the air, even though it meant denouncing their own former project chief.
Now, the source for this is Captain Edward Ruppelt, who was the head of Project Blue Book for two years. And at that time he was considered good enough that he briefed President Truman on these things. He was the top man, rank didn't mean anything, it was the experience that counted. All right, he says these things existed; he put it in a book which was cleared by Security and Review, in the Air Force.
On December 5, 1955, that was cleared. It's in his book;. He has never been hauled in a court-martial. Now, I have here, and if you'd allow your camera to come in on it; this is a sheet from the script of the Armstrong Theater, which was deleted. This was crossed off, and I was told that I couldn't say it on the air. Now that was censorship by intimidation. This can be matched up with the other sheets from the Armstrong Circle script and any typewriter expert will show you that... They ordered to take it out.
WALLACE: I'm certain that people believe you; the only thing is that, the next morning, I do distinctly remember reading a report by you, Major Keyhoe, to the effect that no censorship, no pressure of any kind had been put upon you.
KEYHOE: I'm sorry, Mr. Wallace, that... I know that statement almost by heart. I said that CBS and the Armstrong people were not to blame for cutting me off the air when I tried to mention the fact that at Senate Committee was working on the secrecy angle. I never mentioned this that night to anyone because I had promised that I wouldn't say anything about on the air that... to the Armstrong people. It was taken out and I will do this: I will ask the United States Air Force to have the Marine Corps put me on active duty for a court-martial if that is not the case.
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, I understand you have three new reports on file which in your opinion... you have them currently on file, they're new reports. These, in your opinion, would convince every person in this country that flying saucers are a fact. Is that correct?
KEYHOE: It should convince a lot of people because of the names involved.
WALLACE: Tell us about it.
KEYHOE: I told your interviewer or in Washington that I couldn't mention the names because they were too high; one of them is a top scientist in this country, whose name would be known to everybody.
WALLACE: But, why wouldn't he want his...?
KEYHOE: Because he's afraid of official ridicule.
WALLACE: He's afraid of official ridicule?
KEYHOE: That's right.
WALLACE: More afraid of official ridicule than a possibly alerting the country to a serious national danger?
KEYHOE: You’d be surprised how many people give us reports and they say, "Please keep my name confidential." I'll give you one report which came to us, the name has to be left out. In 1951 a UFO circled the fleet in Korean waters. It circled it at a high-speed and they launched several planes to try to get a close in on it. They got a radar lock on it, that is the radar was guiding the planes toward the object. This was picked up by radars on fourteen naval vessels. This object circled about... oh, for a half an hour more and then it took off at a speed way over an excessive a thousand miles an hour.
This report was certified and nine members of our board of government saw it, signed it, and agreed that they had seen it, and agreed to the content, too. There is another report that just came in from four top missiles designers or engineers at one of the big plants in this country. They saw an elliptical shaped object and two small round disk shaped objects flying with it over California, November 11, 1957, at a speed of at least five thousand miles an hour. These men are well-qualified; they know what they see, with broad daylight, not a cloud in the sky. There've been cases, even where the Air Force has shot at these things. Now, if there's nothing there and, they don't exist, why do they shoot at them?
You mentioned Mr. Horner. The day after Mr. Horner said that the Air Force was not concealing anything, Captain Gregory Oldenburg, a public information officer at Langley Field, refused to let an ad be inserted in the Langley Base Flier... their newspaper, which asked that anybody interested in UFOs, please communicate and form a little group. He said, "I must refuse to do this, because the dissemination of information on UFOs is contrary to Air Force policy and Air Force regulation 200 dash 2 and I have a copy of it here, in case you want to see it.
WALLACE: Well, Major Keyhoe, I must say that the Air Force tells us... they don't question your motives, but they do question the accuracy of the good deal of your information and for that reason they say you have been, and were they to -- in a sense --throw open, an invitation to all people who sight UFOs, to get in touch with them once again, they'd get all kinds of cranks, hoaxers and so forth. And, you see, they run down every one of these sightings and it has cost them a tremendous amount of money, to no avail over the past few years.
KEYHOE: That's what they told you.
WALLACE: That is what they told me. Now, sir, in a moment I'd like to ask you this: in the past few years millions of flying saucers enthusiasts have become excited about the stories of two men, George Adamski and Howard Menger; both of them claim to have seen flying saucers. Menger claimed to have been given a ride in one, by some creatures from Venus. Adamski says he's chatted with a man from Venus in the California desert. I'd like to get your reaction to those stories. And we'll get Major Keyhoe's reaction in just sixty seconds.
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WALLACE: All right, Major, about George Adamski and Howard Menger, both men claim to have talked with men from Venus. Menger claims that he's even taken a ride on a flying saucer. Do you believe them?
KEYHOE: No.
WALLACE: You think they are hoaxers?
KEYHOE: We do not accept any reports of these so called contactees without more evidence. We've asked them to submit their claims and take lie detector tests. We don't throw them out, we simply say, "We'll give you a fair chance." I think that's the least important part of the picture. The most important part is the weight of evidence from hundreds of competent people. I'd like to name a few: Captain Richard Case, American Airlines; Captain C.S. Charles, Eastern Airlines; Captain T. Kravitz, TWA; Robert Dickens, TWA; Colonel Don J. Blakesly, US Air Force, a wing commander. I could get down a list of, people who know what they're doing and they're still on duty, they're still flying...
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, what would you like to see done about flying saucers that is not currently being done? What steps would you like to see taken?
KEYHOE: I think the American people should write to their congressman and insist that open hearings be held by the Senate Committee... on the permanent committee on Government operations, which has been looking into this for six months.
WALLACE: An Air Force spokesman told us this last week, he said, "Members of the Senate Subcommittee have talked with us already and they have shown no interest in conducting any hearings on this issue."
KEYHOE: I talked with the chief investigator within the last two weeks, I gave him a lot of information and I gave him data on one case, where an airliner was sent to chase one of these things and the passengers kept in ignorance of it at that time. That involves two government agencies, besides the Air Force, which has refused to release the report. And I'll say this: if you were to get... if the Committee were to get Ruppelt, Major Fornay, several colonels, on that time, Major General Garland, who was on the project, there would be a big revelation because the Air Force is simply treating the American people like children. They don't trust them with the facts.
WALLACE: You know here is an interesting, I think an interesting question, Major. The United States and Russia started sending satellites into the sky and we may be hitting the moon with a rocket soon, possibly Mars. You believe that creatures from other space have space stations on Mars? What's going to happen when we start firing rockets at the moon or at Mars?
KEYHOE: That question has already been brought up. We expect to have a base on the moon within the next five years. It's possible that there is a base on there. I don't say that there's any proof of it. I...
WALLACE: Is it possible we're going to start an interplanetary war when we start sending our rockets to the moon and to Mars?
KEYHOE: In 1955, General Douglas McArthur said the next war would be an interplanetary war and we'd have to unite against people from other planets...
WALLACE: One last question, Major Keyhoe: Have you ever seen a flying saucer?
KEYHOE: I've seen and tracked on and radar, but I take the word of about 800 of the best witnesses in this country and abroad.
WALLACE: But, you yourself have never seen a flying saucer?
KEYHOE: I've just been a reporter, and a careful one.
WALLACE: Thank you very much, Major Donald Keyhoe. As you've just heard, the flying saucers controversy is deadlocked in contradictory statements and interpretation of facts. As for Major Donald Keyhoe himself, like most of us, he's never seen a flying saucer, which may just make him like a mystic who's never seen a ghost, but one must give him credit, he has much faith. In a moment, I'll bring you a rundown on next week's guest, one of the giants of the entertainment business.
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WALLACE: Next week, we go after the story of a giant in show business. You see behind me now, he's Oscar Hammerstein II, who's collaborated on some forty musicals including the Rodgers and Hammerstein classics "Oklahoma!", "Carousel", "The King and I", and "South Pacific", the last of which is soon to be released as a Hollywood film.
If you're curious to hear Oscar Hammerstein talk about the changing face of show business, about the suggestion that his books and lyrics are naive and stickily sentimental. And if you want to hear Oscar Hammerstein discuss the controversial social and political beliefs that shape his day's work, we'll go after those stories next week. Till then, for Parliament, Mike Wallace, reminding you to help keep the Red Cross on the job for us. Give generously. Good night.
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Former Marine Air Corps Major Donald Keyhoe, director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, conducted an investigation of the existence of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs). Keyhoe talks to Wallace about the United States military, reports of UFO sightings, the various theories explaining UFOs, government cover-ups, and the possibility of interplanetary war.
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THE MIKE WALLACE INTERVIEW
Guest: Major Donald E. Keyhoe
3/8/58
WALLACE: Good evening, tonight we go after a fantastic story, the story that flying saucers from other worlds are visiting our planet, just as we are exploring outerr space with our own rocket satellites. Our guest is Former Mariner Air Corps Major Donald Keyhoe, who has the support of scores of prominent businessmen, military men, and some scientists in his campaign to prove that flying saucers exist. If you're curious to know why Major Keyhoe charges that the Unites States Air Force is deliberately deluding us when it calls saucer stories the bunk, if you want to hear his own evidence that the saucers are real, and his reaction to the claim of two Americans who say they've spoken with men from Venus. We'll go after those stories in just a moment. My name is Mike Wallace, the cigarette is Parliament.
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WALLACE: We'll meet Major Keyhoe in just a minute.
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WALLACE: And now to our story. Major Donald Keyhoe is the director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. As head of this private group, interested in flying saucers, he's repeatedly attacked the United States Air Force, and others, for claiming that flying saucers are apparently flight of fancy and not flights by Martians or men from the moon. Independent surveys show that millions of Americans do share his believe in these celestial saucers.
Major Keyhoe, first of all, let me ask you this; most people in the United States, in spite of the fact that I said that millions do believe, I think you will agree that most people in the United States don't believe in flying saucers from outer space. They probably hold the view of columnist Bob Considine, who wrote that flying saucers are products of, for the most part, quote "pranksters, half-wits, cranks, publicity hounds, fanatics in general and screwballs" end quote. How do you feel about Mr. Considine's charge?
KEYHOE: Well, I know where he got the story; he got it from Colonel Watson out at the Air Technical Intelligence Center in Dayton. In fact, the colonel went even a little further and he said that behind every sighting was an idiot, a crackpot or religious fanatic. That included a lot of high-ranking Air Force pilots, incidentally, and many airline captains, people who are qualified to see these things. But, he's just following on Air Force policy.
WALLACE: Well now, you're not suggesting that Bob Considine is in the pay of the Air Force; he's an independent newsman with a considerable reputation.
KEYHOE: No, I mean the colonel, I mean the colonel. No, I have a only respect for Bob Considine.
WALLACE: In spite of the fact that he suggests that pranksters, half-wits and screwballs are responsible for the stories about flying saucers.
KEYHOE: Well, I wish I could show him, at anytime, a list of about 800 witnesses, some of the big names of aviation including, up to the rank of colonel in the Air Force. They're still flying, and they're still carrying passengers; they've never been grounded. They're still guiding airliners in the radar men are, night after night in bad weather. If they're screwballs and incompetents, why are they still on the job?
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, where do you think flying saucers are coming from?
KEYHOE: I don't know. There is an indication that they could be using Mars as a base. I don't mean they originate right there, but every time Mars has approached us, in the last ten years, there's been a noticeable increase in saucer sightings. And that's been mentioned officially. In fact, the Canadian official project, on the basis of that, set up an observation station in Canada.
WALLACE: You say the Canadian official project, what do you mean by the official...?
KEYHOE: There was an official project called "Project Magnet," and they set up an observatory at Shirley Bay to try to track these things. And...
WALLACE: What happened to the official project? You say there was a project.
KEYHOE: Yes. They ran for about a year and they had one sighting on the gravimeter, which indicated that something... a very large object had flow over there, but they finally decided that they were spending a little bit much money on that, I suppose.
WALLACE: For certain, they wouldn't have thought that they were spending too much money on it, if they believed that that kind of phenomena existed.
KEYHOE: A lot of people on the project are still working up there on their own time and certain government officials have still kept the lid on the reports in Canada, just as they do down here.
WALLACE: What is your theory...? In other words, you suggest that they come from Mars or from other planets, from other solar systems, possibly, throughout the universe. Is that correct?
KEYHOE: Yes, and there're a lot of scientists who've said the same thing.
WALLACE: What is your theory as to the kind of people who fly these... or the kind of beings who fly these saucers?
KEYHOE: Well, that's speculation; Willy Ley said recently that it would be like the man next door, the invaders from space, and his reasons, may be good. But most of the top scientists have said that the odds are that beings from other worlds would not be like us; some of them would be. Dr. Howard Shafly, for instance, said that there probably were at least a hundred million inhabited planets in the universe. And the Mansel, who doesn't believe in saucers, at all, says, that he goes at higher -- even higher. And among those, by --there must, be- the law of averages. ---, There is a certain number of planets that would be like the earth, and if evolution started the same time, you might have the same type of being.
WALLACE: What you think of the intentions of these people -- for lack of a better name -- of these people who are in these flying saucers?
KEYHOE: Well, there's been no evidence of any hostility during the last 10 years, for what we call the modern face, there have been sighting before then. There had have been some accidents; air force pilots chasing these things; kept a man until he was killed chasing, one in '48 and two pilots disappeared chasing one in '53 over Lake Superior. But, I think those are just accidents.
WALLACE: Just accidents. Why don't they try to communicate with us? What's your theory about that?
KEYHOE: Well, I'll follow some of the theories the Air Forces people have said... they suggested to me back in '52 and '53, at which time we were cooperating--, I had a lot of very good friends in the Air Force at that time-- and the policy was to give out the information --. They were about to tell the people everything they had. And the theory was then that perhaps these beings were so much different from us that communication would be a very hard thing; they might not, for instance, have speech sounds like ours. That's one answer. And another thing: they might not be able to exist in our atmosphere. We're going to land on the moon, we'll have to wear space suits, or else build air-conditioned buildings up there air pressured. And there could be lots of factors like that.
WALLACE: Well, do you think they're down here, when we do see them, to look at us?
KEYHOE: I think that it's probably a long-range survey.
WALLACE: A long-range survey?
KEYHOE: That's right.
WALLACE: And yet, no attempt, as far as we know in any case, of communication with us.
KEYHOE: There have been claims of communication, but those, most of those, have been by individuals. The Air Force has not admitted that there's ever been one and I don't know... our committee hasn't found any cases that we would accept as absolutly verified.
WALLACE: All right. Now, let's go at it from another point of view, if I may, the Air Force point of view. They agree, undoubtedly, objects have been seen in the sky, but the Air Force has said time and time again --, this is a quote from Richard Horner, assistant secretary of the Air Force for research and development --, "All, but a small percentage of these reports -- of unidentified flying objects -- have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena that are neither mysterious nor dire." End quote. Weather balloons, mirages, ordinary sky phenomena like meteors or airplanes themselves. What about that?
KEYHOE: I'll answer that, but I'd like to make several points in doing it. In 1947, the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, that's the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract, sent the secret documents to the Commanding General of the Air Force, saying that whatever of these things were, they were real. In 1948, ATIC, the same group, sent a top-secret estimate to the Commanding General, Roy Vandenburg, that these were interplanetary spaceships.
In 1952, there was an intelligence analysis of the maneuvers of these things, as seen by radar, triangulation, radar photographs. And in '53, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Air Force had a special panel of scientists meet at the Pentagon, to tell them what to do. And after they got through, this group said, "You don't have proof that these things exist, not scientific proof, but you have a very strong circumstantial case.
We suggest you quadruple investigations, set up special observation posts and in the meantime release everything you got the American people." Now, you've got four documents there; they've been sitting on all this time. Now, that... and they have been spending a lot of money investigating flying saucers. If they don't exist, why the money... why did the intelligence team rush out every time there's a sighting?
WALLACE: Now then, you have mentioned four documents that you claim exist. We've heard, in the past, that you have claimed that these documents existed. We've seen your literature in which you talk about the existence of those documents. So, we spoke with the Air Technical Intelligence Center at the Pentagon earlier with this week, and this is what we're told officially by them, "Three of the four documents Major Keyhoe refers to, simply do not exist.
The fourth document does exist, you can have a copy of it, Mr. Wallace, and you can see that it doesn't say what Major Keyhoe claims it says." We have a copy of it and I quote to you from the copy. The Air Force document says just this, "The panel recommends that the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip the UFOs of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired.
We suggest an integrated program designed to reassure the public of the total lack of evidence of inimical forces behind the phenomena." And again, as I point out, secretary Horner says it's simply ain't so. Now, why? The point really at issue here, it would seem, Major Keyhoe, is this: Why do you believe that the Air Force says that nothing is going on? Why do you believe that the...? It's a fairly serious charge that you make.
KEYHOE: I know it is.
WALLACE: You make the charge that the United States government is withholding from the people of the United States certain very important information. Why? What would their motive be for withholding that kind of information from us?
KEYHOE: Well, I'll answer that, but I'd also like to show you some proofs that they are withholding it. The reason was given to me when they were working with me back in '52 and '53; it was first that they were afraid of hysteria. Remember the Orson Welles show-back... way years back, when he scared people in the hills with the...
WALLACE: I do.
KEYHOE: ...idea of invading Martians. Then, they were also afraid that it would upset organized religion, that was a smaller factor, but there was some fear of it. Later, they were afraid that these accidents when the interceptors had chased these things and had been lost or had crashed, might be considered a proof of hostility. Now, I would never have put my name on anything if it were a matter of a personal opinion.
I've talked to, and read the reports of, hundreds of pilots and radar men, guided missile trackers, who've seen these things. And some of them are very more important names. The Air Force says that they've (...) this down to 1.9 percent, but you noticed the word current in there, they mean we are currently explaining.
Now, I have in my possession a copy of the special report fourteen, which is their Bible on this. In the back, it has a table showing that of thirty-two hundred and one cases they examined, nineteen and a half percent were unsolved. And they admit they still are unsolved. You add up what they've had since then; it makes over twelve percent of the reports and those are mostly from the best possible sources.
WALLACE: Well now, wait just a second; I'll use your figures. The Department of Defense released an official bulletin on November 5, 1957, saying that from June of '55 to June of '57, a two-year period, just a fraction over two percent of all investigated unidentified flying objects had to be listed as unknown. Two percent, so that's your one point nine...
KEYHOE: What's the period, again?
WALLACE: '55 to '57. The rest were determined to have been balloons, airplanes, hoaxes, and a category about 12 percent, called insufficient information, which means that the report was so flimsy that there was simply nothing to check on. I must confess that they have... they've certainly shown me no classified material, but they have opened their files quite willingly to us in our preparation for this program tonight, and they've given us very convincing evidence, Major Keyhoe, that it is largely... I shouldn't say largely, I'll say ninety-nine and forty-four, one-hundred percent, a hoax. Now, you mentioned...
KEYHOE: A hoax?
WALLACE: Well, let... when I say a hoax...
KEYHOE: Are you saying a lot of good pilots, hoax?
WALLACE: No, no, no, not hoax, just... I thank you for correcting me, not just a hoax, but, let's say, misinformation or sightings of objects which seem to be one thing but are, in fact, another. I'm glad that you corrected me about hoax, because it is, by no means, that much a hoax. But, you mentioned that Dr. Donald Menzel, who was a professor of Astrophysics at Harvard before. Now, I think you will agree that he's one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists. Is that not so?
KEYHOE: I think there are others who are equally capable, but, do not agree with him.
WALLACE: He is one of the world's most distinguished astrophysicists; though, I think we can agree on that. In any case, he stresses, you see, that pilots are not experts of ---, that they, as well, as others, can see flying saucers when it's only, to quote him, "the wrapper of somebody's lunch moving around on the air" end quote. But, again, let's come back to the point... the most important point, Major Keyhoe, and that is, why, why will the Air Force...? Why will the United States government withhold information from United States citizens? For what reason?
KEYHOE: Because they're treating us like children, the way they did it with the H-Bomb at first, and the way they've been doing with other things. Now, I'm not attacking the United States Air Force. I'm attacking a small group in there that has been persistently keeping this from the public, just as they've kept other things. For a long time you couldn't even mention the idea that we could be hit by missiles from submarines from the gulf or from both coasts very easily.
I knew that years and years ago and tried to get it out, but at the time was discouraged about it. Now then, you mentioned this... that this denial of these documents. Now, I'd like to tell you something that happened on the Armstrong Circle Theatre. I had requested that those points be in the script and I was discouraged from it at, first by their writer. Then later, some of our board of governors insisted that we had those points included.
So I said, "Either, I don't go on or we have those in there." They said all right. So the script was completely rewritten. Now those were in the script as it was first rehearsed. But when the second rehearsal, came along and the Air Force saw the mimeograph sheet there with Air Force representatives, but according to Armstrong's writer said, they would immediately deny it on the air, even though it meant denouncing their own former project chief.
Now, the source for this is Captain Edward Ruppelt, who was the head of Project Blue Book for two years. And at that time he was considered good enough that he briefed President Truman on these things. He was the top man, rank didn't mean anything, it was the experience that counted. All right, he says these things existed; he put it in a book which was cleared by Security and Review, in the Air Force.
On December 5, 1955, that was cleared. It's in his book;. He has never been hauled in a court-martial. Now, I have here, and if you'd allow your camera to come in on it; this is a sheet from the script of the Armstrong Theater, which was deleted. This was crossed off, and I was told that I couldn't say it on the air. Now that was censorship by intimidation. This can be matched up with the other sheets from the Armstrong Circle script and any typewriter expert will show you that... They ordered to take it out.
WALLACE: I'm certain that people believe you; the only thing is that, the next morning, I do distinctly remember reading a report by you, Major Keyhoe, to the effect that no censorship, no pressure of any kind had been put upon you.
KEYHOE: I'm sorry, Mr. Wallace, that... I know that statement almost by heart. I said that CBS and the Armstrong people were not to blame for cutting me off the air when I tried to mention the fact that at Senate Committee was working on the secrecy angle. I never mentioned this that night to anyone because I had promised that I wouldn't say anything about on the air that... to the Armstrong people. It was taken out and I will do this: I will ask the United States Air Force to have the Marine Corps put me on active duty for a court-martial if that is not the case.
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, I understand you have three new reports on file which in your opinion... you have them currently on file, they're new reports. These, in your opinion, would convince every person in this country that flying saucers are a fact. Is that correct?
KEYHOE: It should convince a lot of people because of the names involved.
WALLACE: Tell us about it.
KEYHOE: I told your interviewer or in Washington that I couldn't mention the names because they were too high; one of them is a top scientist in this country, whose name would be known to everybody.
WALLACE: But, why wouldn't he want his...?
KEYHOE: Because he's afraid of official ridicule.
WALLACE: He's afraid of official ridicule?
KEYHOE: That's right.
WALLACE: More afraid of official ridicule than a possibly alerting the country to a serious national danger?
KEYHOE: You’d be surprised how many people give us reports and they say, "Please keep my name confidential." I'll give you one report which came to us, the name has to be left out. In 1951 a UFO circled the fleet in Korean waters. It circled it at a high-speed and they launched several planes to try to get a close in on it. They got a radar lock on it, that is the radar was guiding the planes toward the object. This was picked up by radars on fourteen naval vessels. This object circled about... oh, for a half an hour more and then it took off at a speed way over an excessive a thousand miles an hour.
This report was certified and nine members of our board of government saw it, signed it, and agreed that they had seen it, and agreed to the content, too. There is another report that just came in from four top missiles designers or engineers at one of the big plants in this country. They saw an elliptical shaped object and two small round disk shaped objects flying with it over California, November 11, 1957, at a speed of at least five thousand miles an hour. These men are well-qualified; they know what they see, with broad daylight, not a cloud in the sky. There've been cases, even where the Air Force has shot at these things. Now, if there's nothing there and, they don't exist, why do they shoot at them?
You mentioned Mr. Horner. The day after Mr. Horner said that the Air Force was not concealing anything, Captain Gregory Oldenburg, a public information officer at Langley Field, refused to let an ad be inserted in the Langley Base Flier... their newspaper, which asked that anybody interested in UFOs, please communicate and form a little group. He said, "I must refuse to do this, because the dissemination of information on UFOs is contrary to Air Force policy and Air Force regulation 200 dash 2 and I have a copy of it here, in case you want to see it.
WALLACE: Well, Major Keyhoe, I must say that the Air Force tells us... they don't question your motives, but they do question the accuracy of the good deal of your information and for that reason they say you have been, and were they to -- in a sense --throw open, an invitation to all people who sight UFOs, to get in touch with them once again, they'd get all kinds of cranks, hoaxers and so forth. And, you see, they run down every one of these sightings and it has cost them a tremendous amount of money, to no avail over the past few years.
KEYHOE: That's what they told you.
WALLACE: That is what they told me. Now, sir, in a moment I'd like to ask you this: in the past few years millions of flying saucers enthusiasts have become excited about the stories of two men, George Adamski and Howard Menger; both of them claim to have seen flying saucers. Menger claimed to have been given a ride in one, by some creatures from Venus. Adamski says he's chatted with a man from Venus in the California desert. I'd like to get your reaction to those stories. And we'll get Major Keyhoe's reaction in just sixty seconds.
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WALLACE: All right, Major, about George Adamski and Howard Menger, both men claim to have talked with men from Venus. Menger claims that he's even taken a ride on a flying saucer. Do you believe them?
KEYHOE: No.
WALLACE: You think they are hoaxers?
KEYHOE: We do not accept any reports of these so called contactees without more evidence. We've asked them to submit their claims and take lie detector tests. We don't throw them out, we simply say, "We'll give you a fair chance." I think that's the least important part of the picture. The most important part is the weight of evidence from hundreds of competent people. I'd like to name a few: Captain Richard Case, American Airlines; Captain C.S. Charles, Eastern Airlines; Captain T. Kravitz, TWA; Robert Dickens, TWA; Colonel Don J. Blakesly, US Air Force, a wing commander. I could get down a list of, people who know what they're doing and they're still on duty, they're still flying...
WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, what would you like to see done about flying saucers that is not currently being done? What steps would you like to see taken?
KEYHOE: I think the American people should write to their congressman and insist that open hearings be held by the Senate Committee... on the permanent committee on Government operations, which has been looking into this for six months.
WALLACE: An Air Force spokesman told us this last week, he said, "Members of the Senate Subcommittee have talked with us already and they have shown no interest in conducting any hearings on this issue."
KEYHOE: I talked with the chief investigator within the last two weeks, I gave him a lot of information and I gave him data on one case, where an airliner was sent to chase one of these things and the passengers kept in ignorance of it at that time. That involves two government agencies, besides the Air Force, which has refused to release the report. And I'll say this: if you were to get... if the Committee were to get Ruppelt, Major Fornay, several colonels, on that time, Major General Garland, who was on the project, there would be a big revelation because the Air Force is simply treating the American people like children. They don't trust them with the facts.
WALLACE: You know here is an interesting, I think an interesting question, Major. The United States and Russia started sending satellites into the sky and we may be hitting the moon with a rocket soon, possibly Mars. You believe that creatures from other space have space stations on Mars? What's going to happen when we start firing rockets at the moon or at Mars?
KEYHOE: That question has already been brought up. We expect to have a base on the moon within the next five years. It's possible that there is a base on there. I don't say that there's any proof of it. I...
WALLACE: Is it possible we're going to start an interplanetary war when we start sending our rockets to the moon and to Mars?
KEYHOE: In 1955, General Douglas McArthur said the next war would be an interplanetary war and we'd have to unite against people from other planets...
WALLACE: One last question, Major Keyhoe: Have you ever seen a flying saucer?
KEYHOE: I've seen and tracked on and radar, but I take the word of about 800 of the best witnesses in this country and abroad.
WALLACE: But, you yourself have never seen a flying saucer?
KEYHOE: I've just been a reporter, and a careful one.
WALLACE: Thank you very much, Major Donald Keyhoe. As you've just heard, the flying saucers controversy is deadlocked in contradictory statements and interpretation of facts. As for Major Donald Keyhoe himself, like most of us, he's never seen a flying saucer, which may just make him like a mystic who's never seen a ghost, but one must give him credit, he has much faith. In a moment, I'll bring you a rundown on next week's guest, one of the giants of the entertainment business.
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WALLACE: Next week, we go after the story of a giant in show business. You see behind me now, he's Oscar Hammerstein II, who's collaborated on some forty musicals including the Rodgers and Hammerstein classics "Oklahoma!", "Carousel", "The King and I", and "South Pacific", the last of which is soon to be released as a Hollywood film.
If you're curious to hear Oscar Hammerstein talk about the changing face of show business, about the suggestion that his books and lyrics are naive and stickily sentimental. And if you want to hear Oscar Hammerstein discuss the controversial social and political beliefs that shape his day's work, we'll go after those stories next week. Till then, for Parliament, Mike Wallace, reminding you to help keep the Red Cross on the job for us. Give generously. Good night.
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Friday, January 2, 2009
Control
Machines fascinate me...
To be in control of an intimidating machine is EXCELLENT!!
I loved MX, rode my bike everywhere as a kid, but when I saw a kid riding a wheelie without pedaling, and coming to a complete stop on the rear wheel...I had to learn how!!
Turns out, he was using the coaster brake to balance the bike, just lean back, if you go to far, just apply more brake until the front wheel starts to go down, then use less brake to get to that sweet spot! A big hill provides forward thrust!
It took me 6 months to master this skill, but eventually, I could wheelie my bike down any hill, no matter how steep (The rear brake must have gotten really HOT!)
Eventually, I learned how to go around corners on the back wheel of my bike, just lean in the direction that you want to go!
I got to the point that I could wheelie all the way down our street at Alcazar, lean around the corner, and coast all the way to the end, without a single crank stroke!
You can feel the sweet spot.
I soon got a unicycle at a garage sale, too slow!!
After I got my drivers license, I soon took the big blue Ford to a certain Sea World parking lot (gravel) and drive it at 45mph, and initiated a spin by rocking the steering wheel back and forth...
The tail would sway left, right, left, and then swing all the way around in a lurid slide that seemed to take 20 minutes for the tail to pass the nose, gravel flying everywhere, all forward progress halted, we were eventually looking at where we used to be!
The Datsun roadster I had, was a drift machine before such things were popular...
I removed the front swaybar to make it more tailhappy, and I used to drift it at the bottom of the quad hill turn (and everywhere else!), going west, with the left front tire over the double yellow line, the rest of the car in the correct lane, the vehicle pointing at Sam Snead drive, foot to the floor, looking out the right side window...
I could recreate this feat time and time again, the car was totally predictable...except in the rain!!
In the rain, the Datsun would first push, that is, I would turn the wheel, and nothing would happen, and then as the chassis finally started to twist and load up, the tail would come out, which was something I could work with!
One dark morning at 5:30 am (going to work at Jack in the Box), I was driving in the rain at 50MPH, and when I went to turn, and the steering went limp, no resistance, the front end was not listening, like the front tires were in the air...No control whatsoever, I was along for the ride...
I travelled across 4 lanes (two of them mine!), and by some miracle, I "drove" into a gas station on the opposite side of the road, right where the curb reduced into an entry way!
I stopped the car, thanked my lucky stars, and went on my way.
I later found it necessary to buy a motorcycle with the inheritance from Dad ("You'll never own a motorcycle as long as I am alive"...RCB) and I went for the one bike with the narrowest, steepest powerband I could find...a two-stroke, piston-port 1975 Kawasaki S3a 400 triple with little brakes and a little less handling!
When I first bought this bike, I let everyone ride it, and they all did wheelies!
I vividly remember Steve rushing into the culdesak in Linda Vista at full speed, and my relief when he came around ok, somehow making the turn unscathed...
The very next day, I pulled the bike out, pulled on the brake lever, and it went limp, right to the handlebar...no brakes!
The brake fluid was so old, it turned to jelly, there was no reason that the brakes should have worked the day before, when everyone I loved was riding the damn thing at WFO (Wide FU^%KIG OPEN).
That bike never hit the ground with me on it, I never dropped it despite the steep powerpand...I would ride it through corners, and for no reason, the back tire would suddenly jump out a few inches, just to show me who was boss! Once, it did this to me on a hard right hand onramp, and I kicked the ground with my right foot to right the bike, and I saved it!
I had a bruise on my foot for three weeks...turns out the freeway is nothing but a big file, just waiting to scrape you away!
On a wet freeway, the bike was fine until I hit 6000RPM in 5th gear, and then the noise went up, and I would start to slow down...turns out, at 6000RPM, the motor would suddenly gain 30 or so horsepower, and the back tire would start spinning at 67MPH, I would only realise what was happening when I would look at the tach and see 12,000rpm!I learned to feather the throttle at 6 grand on the wet freeway!
Compared to a modern motorcycle, which propells you to 100MPH in an unreal, almost video-game manner, the 400 was forever trying to throw you off the back of it! I had a few requests from folks to learn how to ride a motorcycle using my little 400...I would always discourage them, sighting that it only took 1/4 of a mile for this bike to hit 100MPH.
I did learn that if you keep the revs at 6000rpm from a stop, the bike will ride the rear wheel through 3 gears, and nothing could catch you from a stop sign!
I beat a brand new Honda 500 interceptor in 1988 4 time from 4 lights on Beach blvd this way, all riding on the rear wheel! the 400 triple, like the Datsun, was totally predictable.
The Mustang GT is another animal altogether...
My old MR2 toyota had no torque, but I learned to drift it like the Datsun, but the Datsun would slide like it was pinned to the ground at the front tires...The mid-engine MR2 would pivot behind me, like the pin was behind the rear window...
You have to be there...
One day, I drove a BMW 325i with posi-traction (both rear wheels getting power) in the rain.
I hit it hard, and was amazed as it travelled up the road at a 30 degree angle, spinning both tires, all the way to 60mph, which is when I let off the throttle!
I tried this trick in the Mustang GT in the rain, but I started at 45MPH, again in the rain, and it too went sideways, both rear tires spinning, roaring at 6000rpm, but stable in a crooked way until 75 when I again cried "Uncle"
It's one thing when the machine tries to get away from you, but it's another thing when you can take control and keep your snotty machine on the road!!
I finally got a major dose of reality when I was in Montana, visiting Tiffani's relatives, and we all went to a rodeo...
There was a class where 15 year old kids would ride 800-plus pound bulls...they looked like rag dolls riding twisting, jumping, DROOLING pissed-off black tornadoes of fur as they rode thier ten frozen seconds of doom, when the infants would finally leaped off safely!
I quickly realised that a machine, no matter how powerful, can be learned and mastered...
Those bulls had no such learning curve...they were fuzzy logic in the most dangerous way!! These kids were riding smart, reasoning, unpredictable, very HEAVY animals!
Nothing like a little reference!!!
Considering my station in life, and the fact that a dad with broken limbs would find it difficult to make a living, I now fly R/C airplanes to get my control kicks...You ought to see my fast Jet with on/off elevators, that stalls and rushes to the ground at every opportunity...
To be in control of an intimidating machine is EXCELLENT!!
I loved MX, rode my bike everywhere as a kid, but when I saw a kid riding a wheelie without pedaling, and coming to a complete stop on the rear wheel...I had to learn how!!
Turns out, he was using the coaster brake to balance the bike, just lean back, if you go to far, just apply more brake until the front wheel starts to go down, then use less brake to get to that sweet spot! A big hill provides forward thrust!
It took me 6 months to master this skill, but eventually, I could wheelie my bike down any hill, no matter how steep (The rear brake must have gotten really HOT!)
Eventually, I learned how to go around corners on the back wheel of my bike, just lean in the direction that you want to go!
I got to the point that I could wheelie all the way down our street at Alcazar, lean around the corner, and coast all the way to the end, without a single crank stroke!
You can feel the sweet spot.
I soon got a unicycle at a garage sale, too slow!!
After I got my drivers license, I soon took the big blue Ford to a certain Sea World parking lot (gravel) and drive it at 45mph, and initiated a spin by rocking the steering wheel back and forth...
The tail would sway left, right, left, and then swing all the way around in a lurid slide that seemed to take 20 minutes for the tail to pass the nose, gravel flying everywhere, all forward progress halted, we were eventually looking at where we used to be!
The Datsun roadster I had, was a drift machine before such things were popular...
I removed the front swaybar to make it more tailhappy, and I used to drift it at the bottom of the quad hill turn (and everywhere else!), going west, with the left front tire over the double yellow line, the rest of the car in the correct lane, the vehicle pointing at Sam Snead drive, foot to the floor, looking out the right side window...
I could recreate this feat time and time again, the car was totally predictable...except in the rain!!
In the rain, the Datsun would first push, that is, I would turn the wheel, and nothing would happen, and then as the chassis finally started to twist and load up, the tail would come out, which was something I could work with!
One dark morning at 5:30 am (going to work at Jack in the Box), I was driving in the rain at 50MPH, and when I went to turn, and the steering went limp, no resistance, the front end was not listening, like the front tires were in the air...No control whatsoever, I was along for the ride...
I travelled across 4 lanes (two of them mine!), and by some miracle, I "drove" into a gas station on the opposite side of the road, right where the curb reduced into an entry way!
I stopped the car, thanked my lucky stars, and went on my way.
I later found it necessary to buy a motorcycle with the inheritance from Dad ("You'll never own a motorcycle as long as I am alive"...RCB) and I went for the one bike with the narrowest, steepest powerband I could find...a two-stroke, piston-port 1975 Kawasaki S3a 400 triple with little brakes and a little less handling!
When I first bought this bike, I let everyone ride it, and they all did wheelies!
I vividly remember Steve rushing into the culdesak in Linda Vista at full speed, and my relief when he came around ok, somehow making the turn unscathed...
The very next day, I pulled the bike out, pulled on the brake lever, and it went limp, right to the handlebar...no brakes!
The brake fluid was so old, it turned to jelly, there was no reason that the brakes should have worked the day before, when everyone I loved was riding the damn thing at WFO (Wide FU^%KIG OPEN).
That bike never hit the ground with me on it, I never dropped it despite the steep powerpand...I would ride it through corners, and for no reason, the back tire would suddenly jump out a few inches, just to show me who was boss! Once, it did this to me on a hard right hand onramp, and I kicked the ground with my right foot to right the bike, and I saved it!
I had a bruise on my foot for three weeks...turns out the freeway is nothing but a big file, just waiting to scrape you away!
On a wet freeway, the bike was fine until I hit 6000RPM in 5th gear, and then the noise went up, and I would start to slow down...turns out, at 6000RPM, the motor would suddenly gain 30 or so horsepower, and the back tire would start spinning at 67MPH, I would only realise what was happening when I would look at the tach and see 12,000rpm!I learned to feather the throttle at 6 grand on the wet freeway!
Compared to a modern motorcycle, which propells you to 100MPH in an unreal, almost video-game manner, the 400 was forever trying to throw you off the back of it! I had a few requests from folks to learn how to ride a motorcycle using my little 400...I would always discourage them, sighting that it only took 1/4 of a mile for this bike to hit 100MPH.
I did learn that if you keep the revs at 6000rpm from a stop, the bike will ride the rear wheel through 3 gears, and nothing could catch you from a stop sign!
I beat a brand new Honda 500 interceptor in 1988 4 time from 4 lights on Beach blvd this way, all riding on the rear wheel! the 400 triple, like the Datsun, was totally predictable.
The Mustang GT is another animal altogether...
My old MR2 toyota had no torque, but I learned to drift it like the Datsun, but the Datsun would slide like it was pinned to the ground at the front tires...The mid-engine MR2 would pivot behind me, like the pin was behind the rear window...
You have to be there...
One day, I drove a BMW 325i with posi-traction (both rear wheels getting power) in the rain.
I hit it hard, and was amazed as it travelled up the road at a 30 degree angle, spinning both tires, all the way to 60mph, which is when I let off the throttle!
I tried this trick in the Mustang GT in the rain, but I started at 45MPH, again in the rain, and it too went sideways, both rear tires spinning, roaring at 6000rpm, but stable in a crooked way until 75 when I again cried "Uncle"
It's one thing when the machine tries to get away from you, but it's another thing when you can take control and keep your snotty machine on the road!!
I finally got a major dose of reality when I was in Montana, visiting Tiffani's relatives, and we all went to a rodeo...
There was a class where 15 year old kids would ride 800-plus pound bulls...they looked like rag dolls riding twisting, jumping, DROOLING pissed-off black tornadoes of fur as they rode thier ten frozen seconds of doom, when the infants would finally leaped off safely!
I quickly realised that a machine, no matter how powerful, can be learned and mastered...
Those bulls had no such learning curve...they were fuzzy logic in the most dangerous way!! These kids were riding smart, reasoning, unpredictable, very HEAVY animals!
Nothing like a little reference!!!
Considering my station in life, and the fact that a dad with broken limbs would find it difficult to make a living, I now fly R/C airplanes to get my control kicks...You ought to see my fast Jet with on/off elevators, that stalls and rushes to the ground at every opportunity...
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